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Spring Conservation Hearings- Fisheries
Mar 8^th, 2021 at 11:23am

The virtual meetings start on April 12th and voting runs for three days. There are several water specific trout regulation changes proposed hich may be of interest to folks here.

https://widnr.widen.net/view/pdf/erfxv6qxjg/WCC_FHSpringHearingQuestions_2021.pd
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The entire list of proposals can be accessed here.

https://dnr.wisconsin.gov/about/wcc/springhearing

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Whiskers Yellowbanks WFFP Administrator Offline A Poor, Dumb, Pass Lake Slob Posts: 10191 Merle, WI	Re: Spring Conservation Hearings- Fisheries Reply #1 - Mar 8^th, 2021 at 11:31am There are also some interesting topics under the Wisconsin Conservation Congress's advisory questions. https://widnr.widen.net/view/pdf/frop1w9xkk/WCC_SpringHearingQuestions_2021.pdf? t.download=true
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Reply #3 - Mar 8^th, 2021 at 12:54pm

"From a strictly biological perspective, there is no reason to protect white deer." What does "strictly biological perspective" even mean. I remember when a similar phrase was used in eliminating special regulations water on a river in Lincoln County. What game and fish management decisions are made from a "strictly biological perspective?" None. All are decisions that involve social values. People like to see white deer. There are a bazillion deer to shoot in Wisconsin. Why destroy the joy people take at seeing and photographing white deer.

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Jizzy Pearl Dragon Fly Offline I need some fuel to run. Posts: 1590 Gender:	Re: Spring Conservation Hearings- Fisheries Reply #4 - Mar 8^th, 2021 at 1:27pm Advisory questions.. #4 & #5...Should have been implemented years ago. A little late to the party but I guess it's a start. #6....Raise the price of the great lakes stamp to fund hatcheries? Why? Why do we need hatchery fish thrown in our waters?
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Reply #5 - Mar 8^th, 2021 at 4:36pm

Jizzy Pearl wrote on Mar 8^th, 2021 at 1:27pm:

Advisory questions..

#4 & #5...Should have been implemented years ago. A little late to the party but I guess it's a start.

#6....Raise the price of the great lakes stamp to fund hatcheries? Why? Why do we need hatchery fish thrown in our waters?

I'm guessing 4 and 5 are mostly there to say, "Hey, look people want this". 4 would be the best thing to happen to trout fishing in the state since the trout stamp. I'm not holding my breath on it happening. 5 - didn't the state Supreme Court rule on this already??

I'm all for 6 if it means that we have a better chance of seeing an increase in the inland waters trout stamp. I think you need to go ask your question on a Great Lakes charter boat site Grin

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GerardH WFFP Moderator Offline I am haunted by dead fly anglers Posts: 7978 The Land of YaBB	Re: Spring Conservation Hearings- Fisheries Reply #6 - Mar 8^th, 2021 at 8:35pm Jizzy Pearl wrote on Mar 8^th, 2021 at 1:27pm: A #6....Raise the price of the great lakes stamp to fund hatcheries? Why? Why do we need hatchery fish thrown in our waters? Those streams don't stock themselves. Believe it or not, not every trout stream is a self-sustaining fishery.
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Reply #7 - Mar 9^th, 2021 at 7:31am

JGF wrote on Mar 8^th, 2021 at 4:36pm:

5 - didn't the state Supreme Court rule on this already??

According to this June 25, 2020 article the supreme court hadn't delivered a decision.

https://www.wisfarmer.com/story/news/2020/06/25/environmental-regulations-tighte...

This page indicates Litigation still pending...

https://dnr.wisconsin.gov/topic/Wells/HighCap/Review.html

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Reply #8 - Mar 9^th, 2021 at 7:33am

GerardH wrote on Mar 8^th, 2021 at 8:35pm:

Jizzy Pearl wrote on Mar 8^th, 2021 at 1:27pm:

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#6....Raise the price of the great lakes stamp to fund hatcheries? Why? Why do we need hatchery fish thrown in our waters?

Those streams don't stock themselves. Believe it or not, not every trout stream is a self-sustaining fishery.

That's my point. Quit spending money on streams that aren't self sustaining. And if possible instead direct the money to streams that could be self sustaining if they had a little TLC.

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Re: Spring Conservation Hearings- Fisheries
Reply #9 - Mar 9^th, 2021 at 7:41am

Jizzy Pearl wrote on Mar 9^th, 2021 at 7:33am:

GerardH wrote on Mar 8^th, 2021 at 8:35pm:

Jizzy Pearl wrote on Mar 8^th, 2021 at 1:27pm:

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#6....Raise the price of the great lakes stamp to fund hatcheries? Why? Why do we need hatchery fish thrown in our waters?

Those streams don't stock themselves. Believe it or not, not every trout stream is a self-sustaining fishery.

That's my point. Quit spending money on streams that aren't self sustaining. And if possible instead direct the money to streams that could be self sustaining if they had a little TLC.

So you want greater pressure on the wild trout population instead of put & take fisheries? A lot of trout fishing opportunities are provide to people on those Class III waters. Regarding the TLC comment, that's what the trout stamp revenues are devoted towards.

And why pick on trout? End stocking for musky, walleye, etc....good luck with that.

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Reply #10 - Mar 9^th, 2021 at 8:36am

GerardH wrote on Mar 9^th, 2021 at 7:41am:

So you want greater pressure on the wild trout population instead of put & take fisheries? A lot of trout fishing opportunities are provide to people on those Class III waters.

No. What I'm saying is that there are streams (great lakes tributaires) that are borderline trout/salmon streams that could benefit from some TLC and become class I, II or III streams if the money devoted to raising hatchery fish was instead put towards those streams so they wouldn't have to be put and take fisheries.

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And why pick on trout? End stocking for musky, walleye, etc....good luck with that.

In the context of this conversation...Question 6 is about the Great Lakes Trout And Salmon stamp...That's why.

I'm just not a big fan of hatcheries and stocking.

If you ask Dave...We really could benefit from more willow trees. Grin

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Reply #11 - Mar 9^th, 2021 at 8:41am

Jizzy Pearl wrote on Mar 9^th, 2021 at 8:36am:

GerardH wrote on Mar 9^th, 2021 at 7:41am:

So you want greater pressure on the wild trout population instead of put & take fisheries? A lot of trout fishing opportunities are provide to people on those Class III waters.

No. What I'm saying is that there ar streams (Great Lakes tributaries) that are borderline trout streams that could benefit from some TLC if the money devoted to raising hatchery fish was instead put towards those streams so they wouldn't have to be put and take fisheries.

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And why pick on trout? End stocking for musky, walleye, etc....good luck with that.

In the context of this conversation...Question 6 is about the Great Lakes Trout And Salmon stamp...That's why.

I'm just not a big fan of hatcheries and stocking.

You're not following the programs: Great Lakes stamp program dedicates money towards rearing and stocking trout & salmon, they have nothing to do with "TLC" you keep mistakenly refer to. The trout stamp money is dedicated towards inland stream easement & HI work.

Nothing wrong with stocking in waters that won't otherwise naturally support trout to provide a recreational opportunity.

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Reply #12 - Mar 9^th, 2021 at 9:16am

GerardH wrote on Mar 9^th, 2021 at 8:41am:

You're not following the programs: Great Lakes stamp program dedicates money towards rearing and stocking trout & salmon, they have nothing to do with "TLC" you keep mistakenly refer to. The trout stamp money is dedicated towards inland stream easement & HI work.

I know how the programs work. You don't have to explain them to me. But maybe the money from the GLTSS could be used toward rehabilitation plans on some streams. Some of that stamp money has already been dedicated to Coasters on three Lake Superior streams.

GerardH wrote on Mar 9^th, 2021 at 8:41am:

Nothing wrong with stocking in waters that won't otherwise naturally support trout to provide a recreational opportunity.

But maybe they could naturally support trout???

The Brule was once one of those rivers that required a lot of stocking until is was curtailed in the early 80's. This was due to effort and money being spent on trying to make it a self sustaining fishery instead of just stocking it with hatchery fish every year.

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Reply #13 - Mar 10^th, 2021 at 12:26pm

...Long time listener, first time caller. First of all Jizzy and Gerard - love your show. The banter is always informative and entertaining.

In regards to the stocking , I'm with Herb on this. If an opportunity that wouldn't normally exist anymore without stocking can provide fishing to folks, then it should be supported. Also agree that there's no need to stock places that can support themselves without stocking. The goal should always be to do as little as necessary but that it's not a 1 size fits all deal.

I'd just like to add that Sous Vide is a fantastic way to prepare Passenger Pigeon.

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HEK Dragon Fly Offline We don't rent pigs. Posts: 5582 Waukesha County, Wisconsin Gender:	Re: Spring Conservation Hearings- Fisheries Reply #14 - Mar 10^th, 2021 at 2:09pm BW wrote on Mar 10^th, 2021 at 12:26pm: I'd just like to add that Sous Vide is a fantastic way to prepare Passenger Pigeon. I disagree entirely. I'm sitting here in a vest, with scalding burns over most of my body, trying to eat a terribly prepared jolly rancher, and I rest my case.
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