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Re: Largest CAFO in the state.
Reply #15 - Dec 22^nd, 2020 at 9:30am

Jizzy Pearl wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2020 at 8:51am:

Mark_Nash wrote on Dec 19^th, 2020 at 11:32pm:

My guess is that the answer lies somewhere within the Walker administration.

What about previous administrations that also let this happen?

CAFOs were started and growing long before Walker was around.

I could do the googling I suppose but my recollection is that during the Walker administration many regulations that protected air, land and water were weakened. Including a local government's ability to control what activities were allowed within it's jurisdiction. Under Republican control our legislature hasn't been much help in reversing the tide.

Here's a 2015 article with some reminders of what transpired. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-scott-walker-dismantled-wisconsin...

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Re: Largest CAFO in the state.
Reply #16 - Dec 22^nd, 2020 at 12:34pm

Mark_Nash wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2020 at 9:30am:

Jizzy Pearl wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2020 at 8:51am:

Mark_Nash wrote on Dec 19^th, 2020 at 11:32pm:

My guess is that the answer lies somewhere within the Walker administration.

What about previous administrations that also let this happen?

CAFOs were started and growing long before Walker was around.

I could do the googling I suppose but my recollection is that during the Walker administration many regulations that protected air, land and water were weakened. Including a local government's ability to control what activities were allowed within it's jurisdiction. Under Republican control our legislature hasn't been much help in reversing the tide.

Here's a 2015 article with some reminders of what transpired. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-scott-walker-dismantled-wisconsin...

Your recollection is spot on. Also the Walker administration mandated "must permit" regulations for many of these projects. I also remember vividly the mining bill his administration passed (written by the mining companies) that made extraction companies virtually immune from any liability for polluting groundwater as a result of their activity. The DNR was completely hogtied...

This "what about" logic is a nice diversionary smoke screen*.

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Re: Largest CAFO in the state.
Reply #17 - Dec 22^nd, 2020 at 12:59pm

GerardH wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2020 at 12:34pm:

Mark_Nash wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2020 at 9:30am:

Jizzy Pearl wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2020 at 8:51am:

Mark_Nash wrote on Dec 19^th, 2020 at 11:32pm:

My guess is that the answer lies somewhere within the Walker administration.

What about previous administrations that also let this happen?

CAFOs were started and growing long before Walker was around.

I could do the googling I suppose but my recollection is that during the Walker administration many regulations that protected air, land and water were weakened. Including a local government's ability to control what activities were allowed within it's jurisdiction. Under Republican control our legislature hasn't been much help in reversing the tide.

Here's a 2015 article with some reminders of what transpired. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-scott-walker-dismantled-wisconsin...

Your recollection is spot on. Also the Walker administration mandated "must permit" regulations for many of these projects. I also remember vividly the mining bill his administration passed (written by the mining companies) that made extraction companies virtually immune from any liability for polluting groundwater as a result of their activity. The DNR was completely hogtied...

This "what about" logic is a nice diversionary smoke screen*.

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redundancy intended

The Walker administration also made it harder for Wisconsin governmental agencies to make administrative rules, allowing a committee of the legislature to block them. In Wisconsin, traditionally the statutes have been enacted by the legislature, and details have been enacted by agencies as regulations, often using experts. Examples are fishing bag limits set using biologists, and child support regulations set using economists and other experts.

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Jizzy Pearl Dragon Fly Offline I need some fuel to run. Posts: 1590 Gender:	Re: Largest CAFO in the state. Reply #18 - Dec 22^nd, 2020 at 1:34pm I'm not defending Walker. But at the same time I'm not totally on board with "it's all Walkers fault" here. The DNR was permitting CAFO's before his administration. And then the DNR was found to ignore it's own rules on water pollution. Water Pollution
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GerardH WFFP Moderator Offline I am haunted by dead fly anglers Posts: 7978 The Land of YaBB	Re: Largest CAFO in the state. Reply #19 - Dec 22^nd, 2020 at 2:12pm Doyle's administration wasn't as environmentally pure as the driven snow, but Walker's was a calamity....there's no comparison between the two. In fact, there's no comparison with Walker's administration in maybe my lifetime.
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Re: Largest CAFO in the state.
Reply #20 - Dec 22^nd, 2020 at 4:05pm

Jizzy Pearl wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2020 at 1:34pm:

I'm not defending Walker. But at the same time I'm not totally on board with "it's all Walkers fault" here. The DNR was permitting CAFO's before his administration. And then the DNR was found to ignore it's own rules on water pollution.

Water Pollution

I understand and don't want to start a whole political discussion (of course it's hard not to include politics in an environmental discussion) but you were asking "why the DNR has to issue a permit". My point is that rolling back these Walker changes would make it easier for the DNR and local governments to protect the environment. If we can roll back any similar regs that harm the environment from privious admins I would support that as well.

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Jizzy Pearl Dragon Fly Offline I need some fuel to run. Posts: 1590 Gender:	Re: Largest CAFO in the state. Reply #21 - Dec 23^rd, 2020 at 8:10am Fair enough. My point in asking is that I was questioning why didn't the DNR use it's regulatory authority when it had it before the Walker administration. Seems both the DNR and politicians are to blame.
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Re: Largest CAFO in the state.
Reply #22 - Dec 23^rd, 2020 at 7:45pm

Jizzy Pearl wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2020 at 8:10am:

Fair enough.

My point in asking is that I was questioning why didn't the DNR use it's regulatory authority when it had it before the Walker administration. Seems both the DNR and politicians are to blame.

I don't think you can say they didn't use their regulatory authority pre-Walker. If they hadn't been enforcing regulations the various pro-business interest groups wouldn't have lobbied so hard to get rid of them.

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Re: Largest CAFO in the state.
Reply #24 - Dec 27^th, 2020 at 8:17am

Further North wrote on Dec 25^th, 2020 at 12:31am:

https://www.stcroix360.com/2020/12/burnett-county-tries-to-figure-out-how-much-i...

Thanks for the link - very interesting story. Really shows how hard it is to fight against CAFOs in Wisconsin.

In other news - I didn't want to start a new thread - PFAS emergency rules passed by the WDNR NRBoard have been largely neutered. Wrote one legislator:

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“The bar is lowered to the point where we could trip over it,

Article on the writing process: https://madison.com/ct/news/local/govt-and-politics/new-recommendations-aim-to-c...

It seems that the standards for "human health" aren't all that strongly held either so trying that avenue for CAFO's won't be too easy either.

More recent article on what happened with the rules: https://upnorthnewswi.com/2020/12/18/republicans-kill-dnr-rules-that-would-have-...

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“By gutting these rules, JCRAR is doing the bidding of industry PFAS users,” Michiels said in a press statement. “To add insult to injury, the hearing completely cut out the people who are dealing with the health consequences of contaminated drinking water and demanding action from their lawmakers.”

“It is unfathomable that, when Wisconsin families have to rely on bottled water deliveries for access to clean drinking water, this minor effort to address PFAS contamination was gutted,” Michiels said. “At a time when trust in government is at an all-time low, this action by JCRAR to undo this bipartisan effort to tackle PFAS contamination only divides us even more, putting industry profits over the health of Wisconsin residents in the process.”

Replace PFAS with CAFO in that last sentence and it applies perfectly to factory farms.

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Re: Largest CAFO in the state.
Reply #25 - Dec 27^th, 2020 at 12:40pm

JGF wrote on Dec 27^th, 2020 at 8:17am:

In other news - I didn't want to start a new thread - PFAS emergency rules passed by the WDNR NRBoard have been largely neutered. Wrote one legislator:

Quote:

“The bar is lowered to the point where we could trip over it,

Article on the writing process: https://madison.com/ct/news/local/govt-and-politics/new-recommendations-aim-to-c...

It seems that the standards for "human health" aren't all that strongly held either so trying that avenue for CAFO's won't be too easy either.

More recent article on what happened with the rules: https://upnorthnewswi.com/2020/12/18/republicans-kill-dnr-rules-that-would-have-...

Quote:

“By gutting these rules, JCRAR is doing the bidding of industry PFAS users,” Michiels said in a press statement. “To add insult to injury, the hearing completely cut out the people who are dealing with the health consequences of contaminated drinking water and demanding action from their lawmakers.”

“It is unfathomable that, when Wisconsin families have to rely on bottled water deliveries for access to clean drinking water, this minor effort to address PFAS contamination was gutted,” Michiels said. “At a time when trust in government is at an all-time low, this action by JCRAR to undo this bipartisan effort to tackle PFAS contamination only divides us even more, putting industry profits over the health of Wisconsin residents in the process.”

Replace PFAS with CAFO in that last sentence and it applies perfectly to factory farms.

Thanks.

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