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Re: There was no way to predict this
Reply #15 - Nov 4^th, 2019 at 12:32pm

Jizzy Pearl wrote on Nov 4^th, 2019 at 9:54am:

I didn't see where you stated that you thought rail and tanker transport were cheaper. I made the assumption that you were implying they were. My bad.

Yes more renewable energy sources have come online in recent years, but use of petroleum still outweighs all other energy sources and that isn't going to change anytime soon regardless of which administration is in power.

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=40013

And I'm not going to bitch about it...that would be hypocritical on my part because I'm part of the problem. I'm not going to stop driving my V8 trucks or stop using any other devices that use petroleum such as lawn mowers, ice augers, chain saws etc.

I don't think that anyone is suggesting that you bitch, or that you give up your truck. But, we can support policies that will help, including stopping the subsidies for coal, creating subsidies for alternative energy etc. Global warming is real, and fossil fuel will run out. We can't change everything overnight, but that doesn't mean we have to accelerate toward doom.

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Reply #16 - Nov 4^th, 2019 at 2:33pm

I live on a hobby farm and probably have a bigger carbon footprint than most of you. It makes personal economic sense to tweak our energy consumption.

Yes, I have the 4wd 8 cyl pickup to haul stuff. I drive that under 1000 miles a year. I traded in the old 28 mpg Buick this year for a new 34 mpg Chevy, and that's what I use when I am not carrying lumber or sheetrock or hay bales. I'm a little too far out to be comfortable with an all-electric vehicle yet (concerned about the range between charges) but last spring I had a ride in an all-electric small car that the owner said got the equivalent of 120 mpg. The car was quick off the line, quiet, and oil changes and certain other maintenance is eliminated. Very nice little car. Now the electric company has installed two free charging stations near the grocery store for people who drive their electrics into town.

Some of the city buses in Minneapolis are all electric, and the commuter trains are electric. Electrics are not all toy sized anymore.

I know a little bit about saw mills; I helped my dad and uncle saw lumber when I was a kid. I've bought rough sawn oak boards from a dairy farmer who has branched out into sawmilling. His homemade mill is powered by a 70hp electric motor. I've seen it in operation and it is a wonder. Maybe the farmer isn't a genius, but maybe he is.

We're thinking of going solar for electric. Eight years ago we had an estimate for equipment that would generate all our electricity, but I didn't buy because at the time it had a 15 year payback period. The payback is getting shorter. They are now talking no electric bills for the 25 year life of the system, with a five to seven year payback on investment. I gotta look closer at that.

Oil will be around for a long time for some things, but it makes sense to limit our consumption for the sake of the environment and the sake of the wallet.

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Re: There was no way to predict this
Reply #17 - Nov 4^th, 2019 at 2:59pm

Perry wrote on Nov 4^th, 2019 at 2:33pm:

I live on a hobby farm and probably have a bigger carbon footprint than most of you. It makes personal economic sense to tweak our energy consumption.

Yes, I have the 4wd 8 cyl pickup to haul stuff. I drive that under 1000 miles a year. I traded in the old 28 mpg Buick this year for a new 34 mpg Chevy, and that's what I use when I am not carrying lumber or sheetrock or hay bales. I'm a little too far out to be comfortable with an all-electric vehicle yet (concerned about the range between charges) but last spring I had a ride in an all-electric small car that the owner said got the equivalent of 120 mpg. The car was quick off the line, quiet, and oil changes and certain other maintenance is eliminated. Very nice little car. Now the electric company has installed two free charging stations near the grocery store for people who drive their electrics into town.

Some of the city buses in Minneapolis are all electric, and the commuter trains are electric. Electrics are not all toy sized anymore.

I know a little bit about saw mills; I helped my dad and uncle saw lumber when I was a kid. I've bought rough sawn oak boards from a dairy farmer who has branched out into sawmilling. His homemade mill is powered by a 70hp electric motor. I've seen it in operation and it is a wonder. Maybe the farmer isn't a genius, but maybe he is.

We're thinking of going solar for electric. Eight years ago we had an estimate for equipment that would generate all our electricity, but I didn't buy because at the time it had a 15 year payback period. The payback is getting shorter. They are now talking no electric bills for the 25 year life of the system, with a five to seven year payback on investment. I gotta look closer at that.

Oil will be around for a long time for some things, but it makes sense to limit our consumption for the sake of the environment and the sake of the wallet.

One of our members here has a 9-panel rooftop solar, sounds like it's working out very well to him. It must -- he builds incredible bamboo rods in the wintertime.

Bottom line is that no one individual is going to have any kind of impact on carbon emissions or reduce the consumption of oil that keeps spilling at the most inconvenient places where the environment is concerned. While it's important to be mindful our activities contribute to the problem on whatever scale that happens to be, it takes a conglomerate of nations to develop targets and strategies to make a meaningful reduction.

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Re: There was no way to predict this
Reply #19 - Nov 5^th, 2019 at 3:12pm

Jizzy Pearl wrote on Nov 5^th, 2019 at 8:38am:

tannin wrote on Nov 4^th, 2019 at 12:32pm:

We can't change everything overnight, but that doesn't mean we have to accelerate toward doom.

I'm a glass half full kinda guy...I don't think we are accelerating towards doom anytime soon.

No, years ago we decided you're a stick-your-head-in-the-sand kinda guy...naysayer for short.

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tannin Dragon Fly Offline On Wisconsin! Posts: 1199	Re: There was no way to predict this Reply #20 - Nov 5^th, 2019 at 5:37pm Jizzy Pearl wrote on Nov 5^th, 2019 at 8:38am: tannin wrote on Nov 4^th, 2019 at 12:32pm: We can't change everything overnight, but that doesn't mean we have to accelerate toward doom. I'm a glass half full kinda guy...I don't think we are accelerating towards doom anytime soon. Please.
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Re: There was no way to predict this
Reply #21 - Nov 6^th, 2019 at 8:32am

GerardH wrote on Nov 5^th, 2019 at 3:12pm:

Jizzy Pearl wrote on Nov 5^th, 2019 at 8:38am:

tannin wrote on Nov 4^th, 2019 at 12:32pm:

We can't change everything overnight, but that doesn't mean we have to accelerate toward doom.

I'm a glass half full kinda guy...I don't think we are accelerating towards doom anytime soon.

No, years ago we decided you're a stick-your-head-in-the-sand kinda guy...naysayer for short.

And the rest of us decided that you are Debbie Downer or Chicken Little. Grin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO04VXBIS0M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfE93xON8jk

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Re: There was no way to predict this
Reply #22 - Nov 6^th, 2019 at 11:07am

Jizzy Pearl wrote on Nov 6^th, 2019 at 8:32am:

GerardH wrote on Nov 5^th, 2019 at 3:12pm:

Jizzy Pearl wrote on Nov 5^th, 2019 at 8:38am:

tannin wrote on Nov 4^th, 2019 at 12:32pm:

We can't change everything overnight, but that doesn't mean we have to accelerate toward doom.

I'm a glass half full kinda guy...I don't think we are accelerating towards doom anytime soon.

No, years ago we decided you're a stick-your-head-in-the-sand kinda guy...naysayer for short.

And the rest of us decided that you are Debbie Downer or Chicken Little. Grin

There was never any "the rest of us"...just you, Jizzy_P. Wink

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...because mercifully there are no telephones on trout waters; because only in the woods can I find solitude without loneliness; because bourbon out of an old tin cup always tastes better out there...

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Jizzy Pearl Dragon Fly Offline I need some fuel to run. Posts: 1590 Gender:	Re: There was no way to predict this Reply #23 - Nov 7^th, 2019 at 7:36am Oh there is. Trust me.
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tannin Dragon Fly Offline On Wisconsin! Posts: 1199	Re: There was no way to predict this Reply #24 - Nov 7^th, 2019 at 6:12pm Jizzy Pearl wrote on Nov 7^th, 2019 at 7:36am: Oh there is. Trust me. There are others, but, apart from the ones being paid by the oil companies, the numbers are shrinking fast. It's becoming really hard for people to hold their hands over their ears, close their eyes, and hum loud enough to ignore it.
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Re: There was no way to predict this
Reply #25 - Nov 7^th, 2019 at 10:34pm

Speaking of V8 trucks 'n' stuff...

I had a speaking gig outside of Chicago on Tuesday, so I grabbed a rental for the trip.

Wound up with a Nissan Armada because they didn't have what i'd reserved, and I got bumped up.

I wasn't impressed.

Not as comfortable as my smaller engined Ford, worse mileage. by a significant %, stiff ride, Uncomfortable seats (subjective, I know), lower lever of "content", a complete PITA to park...

No way I'd buy one.

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Reply #26 - Nov 7^th, 2019 at 10:48pm

We drive 4 cyl., turbo SUVs that get high 20s, low 30s MPG...but can still tow the boat. And get' 'er done in snow and bad road conditions (think two tracks, grouse hunting)

We put in geothermal heating/cooling for our home.

We re-roofed with steel, to better insulate.

We have a small, efficient, sedan for daily driving.

We bought a 4 stroke outboard to fish lakes with...doesn't use $150 in gas for a full season.

None of that is "virtue signaling"; there's certainly a long term benefit to us, but every decision we make, we think about our impact and try to reduce it...without impacting our "quality of life". It's pretty easy...

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Re: There was no way to predict this
Reply #27 - Nov 8^th, 2019 at 7:12am

Further North wrote on Nov 7^th, 2019 at 10:34pm:

Speaking of V8 trucks 'n' stuff...

I had a speaking gig outside of Chicago on Tuesday, so I grabbed a rental for the trip.

Wound up with a Nissan Armada because they didn't have what i'd reserved, and I got bumped up.

I wasn't impressed.

Not as comfortable as my smaller engined Ford, worse mileage. by a significant %, stiff ride, Uncomfortable seats (subjective, I know), lower lever of "content", a complete PITA to park...

No way I'd buy one.

It's a big heavy SUV with a V8. What were you expecting? 50 mpg and the ability to fit it in a parking space like you can a Prius? LOL. Plus parking anywhere in or near Chicago is a PITA at all time. Cheesy

I'm getting 20-22 with my V8 Nissan truck. Not the best, but not the worse.

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