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Stream Enhancement Article
Jul 11th, 2019 at 1:57pm
 
A while ago there was a thread about stream enhancement in Minnesota.  I remember a pretty strong criticism by one of the posters about how badly the enhancement was planned and carried out.  I cannot find that thread now, otherwise I would have added this to it.  I'd like to know what members feel about this article and the methods described within.
https://www.postbulletin.com/sports/outdoors/floods-force-new-thinking-on-stream...
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Re: Stream Enhancement Article
Reply #1 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 1:18am
 
What is your objective for stream enhancement? Is it possible in the Driftless Area?

If you get 10-15 inches of rain over a watershed in the Driftless Area there is no way to contain the flooding when the farmers no longer do strip farming. ( Check Google Earth and you can plainly see many farmers on the ridge and valley no longer strip farm.)

The best stream enhancement would be to make the stream a bunch of "S" curves all the way down the valley with willows, cottonwoods and other river trees lining portions of the stream banks. (Trees with their leaves and seeds falling into the stream provide 80 % of the food for invertebrates.) The river trees have the root system that will hold the tree from being washed down the stream by the flooding waters. Also, the river trees would catch most of the debris in the flood and keep the debris from washing onto the farmers field and from getting caught on and under the bridges. The river trees also have the ability to neutralize the poisons that are in the stream that come from homeowners lawns and farmers fields. The "S" curve stream also slows down the force of the flood.

Biodiversity in the stream is something that should be left to Mother Nature. I enjoy brown trout and brook trout which are both exotic to the Driftless Area but I do not believe in removing all the native fish, amphibians, crayfish, etc from their native stream. Also, beaver dams should be allowed in the wilderness areas of a stream. Also dirt banks should be allowed by the stream which are the home for bank swallows and kingfishers and many forms of insects.



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Reply #2 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 9:29am
 
That all sounds good to me, White Admiral.  I suspect that the worst thing that can be done to streams is ANY human activity. 

I am sure that the non-point pollutants in the Driftless - fertilizers, herbicides, insecticides, and cow manure - do great harm to amphibians, crustaceans, insects, etc. 

Interesting that many folks in the Driftless feel differently about beaver dams.  In my native Oregon, beaver dams are welcome, as they also slow down current and allow silt to stay where it's at, but those are freestone streams.  Here, the consensus seems to be (and I won't take a side on the issue) that beaver dams hurt streams by raising water temperatures. 

Lastly, are brook trout not native to the Driftless?  I've always heard that they are, but perhaps not, or perhaps you refer to plants of brookies from non-native stock.
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Reply #3 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 2:59pm
 
If you can find an old encyclopedia you will find out that brook trout were not native to the Mississippi River watershed. The brook trout are native to streams running into Lake Superior and Lake Michigan.

I would still like to read the results of DNA sampling of brook trout in the Driftless Area. Undecided
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Reply #4 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 7:31pm
 
WHITE ADMIRAL wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 2:59pm:
If you can find an old encyclopedia you will find out that brook trout were not native to the Mississippi River watershed. The brook trout are native to streams running into Lake Superior and Lake Michigan.

I would still like to read the results of DNA sampling of brook trout in the Driftless Area. Undecided


I don't think that is correct.  For instance, I don't think the larger river near Merrill was barren until stocking.  Same with some (many?) driftless streams.
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Re: Stream Enhancement Article
Reply #5 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 10:29pm
 
tannin wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 7:31pm:
WHITE ADMIRAL wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 2:59pm:
If you can find an old encyclopedia you will find out that brook trout were not native to the Mississippi River watershed. The brook trout are native to streams running into Lake Superior and Lake Michigan.

I would still like to read the results of DNA sampling of brook trout in the Driftless Area. Undecided


I don't think that is correct.  The larger river near Merrill flows into the Wisconsin.  I don't think that was barren until stocking.  Same with some (many?) driftless streams.


As a nod to the White Admiral, there are some biologists who question whether the driftless streams held brook trout pre-European.  But in my mind, the streams that are part of the Lake Superior/Michigan watersheds were buried under glacial ice 10,000 years ago and where were the brook trout at that time that would eventually move into the streams carved out by glacial meltwater?  So it only makes sense there had to be brook trout in the driftless region.
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Reply #6 - Jul 13th, 2019 at 12:08pm
 
The most recent studies I've heard of have found strains of brook trout in Driftless streams that are genetically unique to the Driftless and don't seem to have sprung from the eastern brook tout that were (and are) the basis for stocking. IIRC, the absence of brook trout was extrapolated from the absence of brook trout bones in pre-settlement native trash piles when other species such as suckers and other fish were common. But I think the common wisdom now is that brookies are native to the Upper Mississippi drainage.

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/0607/39415ec55bb036869cdeef2e910f23d5853e.pdf
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Reply #7 - Jul 13th, 2019 at 1:02pm
 
There is a very small brook trout stream near me that is part of the St. Croix River watershed that acording to the MN DNR, there was never any recorded stocking.  They did genetic sampling of the brook trout from that stream in 2018 and testing indicates the genetics of the brookies in that stream were more similar to brook trout found along Lake Superior than that in SE MN. 

Perry mentioned a couple times in the past that upstream of the barrier falls of the North Shore rivers, historically there were no brook trout until they were stocked by folks dumping milk cans full of young trout into the streams. 

Too bad there aren't better historical records of trout streams before everything was altered.
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Reply #8 - Jul 13th, 2019 at 10:05pm
 
Thanks for the additional information.  I would be interesting if there were more records.
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Reply #9 - Jul 21st, 2019 at 9:44am
 
Whiskers Yellowbanks wrote on Jul 13th, 2019 at 12:08pm:
The most recent studies I've heard of have found strains of brook trout in Driftless streams that are genetically unique to the Driftless and don't seem to have sprung from the eastern brook tout that were (and are) the basis for stocking. IIRC, the absence of brook trout was extrapolated from the absence of brook trout bones in pre-settlement native trash piles when other species such as suckers and other fish were common. But I think the common wisdom now is that brookies are native to the Upper Mississippi drainage.

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/0607/39415ec55bb036869cdeef2e910f23d5853e.pdf


Yes, I've always thought that argument is flawed. First off, how many in-tact trash piles have been excavated in the driftless and what is the longevity of trout bones in those trash heaps? Second, recent genetic studies indicate a possible unique brook trout strain in the region. Finally, where did the brook trout that colonized Lake Superior and Michigan come from ~10K years ago?

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
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