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Re: Ban on Lead in WI
Reply #1 - Feb 21^st, 2019 at 6:55pm

Thanks, Joe!

One other big change for this year is the ability to vote online.

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NEW THIS YEAR: For individuals who are unable to attend a hearing in person, an online input option will be available and open to the public until April 11, 2019 (see page 3 for information).

Anyone know anything about questions 41-46 and where they are coming from?

I think some version of the lead questions have been on there a few times without ever getting much traction. Probably not a terrible idea but I see it having a real hard time ever getting through.

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Grizzly Thug WFFP Moderator Offline The Helpful Union Guys" - THUGS Posts: 3435 Land of Perpetually Offended Gender:	Re: Ban on Lead in WI Reply #2 - Feb 22^nd, 2019 at 7:57am 41-46 i feel are a reaction to a certain part time Boscobel resident whining. I believe they came from the trout committee with help from the biologists to allow more harvest of Browns and allow native strains of brook trout to grow (whack a brown save a brookie)
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Re: Ban on Lead in WI
Reply #3 - Feb 22^nd, 2019 at 9:34am

JGF wrote on Feb 21^st, 2019 at 6:55pm:

Anyone know anything about questions 41-46 and where they are coming from?

My guess would be the trout task force committee which I sat on for a while until I became disenchanted with it all.

https://dnr.wi.gov/about/wcc/Documents/Minutes/2013/Trout.101913.pdf

https://dnr.wi.gov/About/WCC/Documents/Minutes/2014/TroutDNRJointMeeting.pdf

https://dnr.wi.gov/about/wcc/Documents/Minutes/2014/Trout082314.pdf

In the general sense, it seems to be higher bag limits and lower size limits. Once again the DNR moving in the wrong direction.

And partly because of the ass hat in Boscobel as mentioned above. Squeaky wheel gets the grease and a WI DNR with zero back bone.

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Re: Ban on Lead in WI
Reply #4 - Feb 22^nd, 2019 at 8:33pm

JGF wrote on Feb 21^st, 2019 at 6:55pm:

I think some version of the lead questions have been on there a few times without ever getting much traction. Probably not a terrible idea but I see it having a real hard time ever getting through.

Nailed it.

Lead ban in WI: Bad idea, far, far more damage that good until reasonably priced alternatives are in place.

Recreational shooters will fight this until they die, and so will most fishermen.

Stupid hill to decide to die on as it'll turn more hunters and fishermen against environmental issues that we seem to be able to get our hands around...

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Re: Ban on Lead in WI
Reply #5 - Feb 23^rd, 2019 at 2:12am

The most important issue in Wisconsin is CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE (Question 52).

Has the government tested for PRIONS of Chronic Wasting Disease at every Deer Farm in the State of Wisconsin and made this information open to the public?? If the World Health Organization tells you not to eat deer meat from an infected area of Chronic Wasting Disease you would think the Wisconsin Health Department would test for Chronic Wasting Disease Prions in the ground where ever deer congregate especially deer farms.

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2018-05/uow-cp050318.php

https://dnr.wi.gov/topic/wildlifehabitat/regulations.html

Do humans transmit Chronic Wasting Disease Prions on their footwear?? Undecided

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Further North Dragon Fly Offline Posts: 9174 NW WI Gender:	Re: Ban on Lead in WI Reply #6 - Feb 23^rd, 2019 at 7:41pm WHITE ADMIRAL wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2019 at 2:12am: The most important issue in Wisconsin is CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE (Question 52). Maybe it is, maybe it's not, but we were talkin' 'bout lead...
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Gimp WFFP Moderator Offline Gimpers keep out! Posts: 2147 Northern, WI Gender:	Re: Ban on Lead in WI Reply #7 - Feb 24^th, 2019 at 5:02am Please vote NO on #81.
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Gimp WFFP Moderator Offline Gimpers keep out! Posts: 2147 Northern, WI Gender:	Re: Ban on Lead in WI Reply #8 - Feb 24^th, 2019 at 10:40am BTW, thousands of deer are going to be dying in the next couple of months and it ain't gonna be from CWD.
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silverdoc Dragon Fly Offline Life is too short to fish ugly flies. Posts: 705 Gender:	Re: Ban on Lead in WI Reply #9 - Feb 24^th, 2019 at 7:05pm Gimp wrote on Feb 24^th, 2019 at 5:02am: Please vote NO on #81. IF this is just another DNR fundraiser, then I agree with Jon. If a magic marker name/phone# suffices, then I don't see a problem. Vote YES on #82 & #83 Just my $0.02
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Re: Ban on Lead in WI
Reply #10 - Feb 24^th, 2019 at 7:06pm

Gimp wrote on Feb 24^th, 2019 at 5:02am:

Please vote NO on #81.

Cheese and rice:

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QUESTION 81: Identification for non-motorized watercraft (140418) (requires legislation)
Presently, Wisconsin does not require identification for non-motorized watercraft such as canoes, kayaks and skiffs. There have been instances that a non-motorized watercraft is found floating in a lake/river or along a shoreline with no one in it, making it hard for law enforcement to locate the owner and determine if an accident has occurred. Searches have been conducted based on not being able to contact the owner of the watercraft, requiring time and effort from law enforcement and rescue personal, only to find out that no one
was in the watercraft prior to being found. Currently, owner identification is required for ice shanties and waterfowl blinds on state properties.
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81. Would you favor legislation that would require the owner of a nonmotorized
watercraft to affix identification to the non-motorized
watercraft?
81. YES____ NO_____

That's a creatively worded excuse to charge us for registration. Or in other words, one more tax. Thumbs down, here.

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Further North Dragon Fly Offline Posts: 9174 NW WI Gender:	Re: Ban on Lead in WI Reply #11 - Feb 24^th, 2019 at 7:09pm Gimp wrote on Feb 24^th, 2019 at 10:40am: BTW, thousands of deer are going to be dying in the next couple of months and it ain't gonna be from CWD. Yep. Our property is probably an average 2 ft. deep in snow. It'll be tough on pheasants, good for grouse, unless it develops a thick top layer.
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Further North Dragon Fly Offline Posts: 9174 NW WI Gender:	Re: Ban on Lead in WI Reply #12 - Feb 24^th, 2019 at 7:10pm silverdoc wrote on Feb 24^th, 2019 at 7:05pm: Gimp wrote on Feb 24^th, 2019 at 5:02am: Please vote NO on #81. IF this is just another DNR fundraiser, then I agree with Jon. If a magic marker name/phone# suffices, then I don't see a problem. Vote YES on #82 & #83 Just my $0.02 I can go along with that on 82 & 83.
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Re: Ban on Lead in WI
Reply #13 - Feb 24^th, 2019 at 10:37pm

Further North wrote on Feb 24^th, 2019 at 7:06pm:

Gimp wrote on Feb 24^th, 2019 at 5:02am:

Please vote NO on #81.

Cheese and rice:

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QUESTION 81: Identification for non-motorized watercraft (140418) (requires legislation)
Presently, Wisconsin does not require identification for non-motorized watercraft such as canoes, kayaks and skiffs. There have been instances that a non-motorized watercraft is found floating in a lake/river or along a shoreline with no one in it, making it hard for law enforcement to locate the owner and determine if an accident has occurred. Searches have been conducted based on not being able to contact the owner of the watercraft, requiring time and effort from law enforcement and rescue personal, only to find out that no one
was in the watercraft prior to being found. Currently, owner identification is required for ice shanties and waterfowl blinds on state properties.
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81. Would you favor legislation that would require the owner of a nonmotorized
watercraft to affix identification to the non-motorized
watercraft?
81. YES____ NO_____

That's a creatively worded excuse to charge us for registration. Or in other words, one more tax. Thumbs down, here.

Another tax and where do they draw the line between watercraft and grandma with a cocktail soaking in an innertube?

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Re: Ban on Lead in WI
Reply #14 - Feb 25^th, 2019 at 7:21am

Further North wrote on Feb 24^th, 2019 at 7:09pm:

Gimp wrote on Feb 24^th, 2019 at 10:40am:

BTW, thousands of deer are going to be dying in the next couple of months and it ain't gonna be from CWD.

Yep.

Our property is probably an average 2 ft. deep in snow.

It'll be tough on pheasants, good for grouse, unless it develops a thick top layer.

That assumes Bonasa umbellus made it through the FIRST PART of winter when we had thickly crusted surface snow from the very wet snow events in January.
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Re: Ban on Lead in WI
Reply #15 - Feb 25^th, 2019 at 7:32am

Chironomid wrote on Feb 25^th, 2019 at 7:21am:

Further North wrote on Feb 24^th, 2019 at 7:09pm:

Gimp wrote on Feb 24^th, 2019 at 10:40am:

BTW, thousands of deer are going to be dying in the next couple of months and it ain't gonna be from CWD.

Yep.

Our property is probably an average 2 ft. deep in snow.

It'll be tough on pheasants, good for grouse, unless it develops a thick top layer.

That assumes Bonasa umbellus made it through the FIRST PART of winter when we had thickly crusted surface snow from the very wet snow events in January.
Chiro Smiley

No need to worry about that.

West Nile has taken the grouse down. Fercripesakes!! The drumming counts were down and they had to shorten the season!!

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Re: Ban on Lead in WI
Reply #16 - Feb 25^th, 2019 at 6:05pm

Gimp wrote on Feb 24^th, 2019 at 10:37pm:

Further North wrote on Feb 24^th, 2019 at 7:06pm:

Gimp wrote on Feb 24^th, 2019 at 5:02am:

Please vote NO on #81.

Cheese and rice:

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QUESTION 81: Identification for non-motorized watercraft (140418) (requires legislation)
Presently, Wisconsin does not require identification for non-motorized watercraft such as canoes, kayaks and skiffs. There have been instances that a non-motorized watercraft is found floating in a lake/river or along a shoreline with no one in it, making it hard for law enforcement to locate the owner and determine if an accident has occurred. Searches have been conducted based on not being able to contact the owner of the watercraft, requiring time and effort from law enforcement and rescue personal, only to find out that no one
was in the watercraft prior to being found. Currently, owner identification is required for ice shanties and waterfowl blinds on state properties.
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81. Would you favor legislation that would require the owner of a nonmotorized
watercraft to affix identification to the non-motorized
watercraft?
81. YES____ NO_____

That's a creatively worded excuse to charge us for registration. Or in other words, one more tax. Thumbs down, here.

Another tax and where do they draw the line between watercraft and grandma with a cocktail soaking in an innertube?

Yeah, that...but I don't wanna think about grandma in an inner-tube...It's emotionally scaring.

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Re: Ban on Lead in WI
Reply #17 - Feb 25^th, 2019 at 6:06pm

Chironomid wrote on Feb 25^th, 2019 at 7:21am:

Further North wrote on Feb 24^th, 2019 at 7:09pm:

Gimp wrote on Feb 24^th, 2019 at 10:40am:

BTW, thousands of deer are going to be dying in the next couple of months and it ain't gonna be from CWD.

Yep.

Our property is probably an average 2 ft. deep in snow.

It'll be tough on pheasants, good for grouse, unless it develops a thick top layer.

That assumes Bonasa umbellus made it through the FIRST PART of winter when we had thickly crusted surface snow from the very wet snow events in January.
Chiro Smiley

I'm gonna go with the idea that they did.

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Re: Ban on Lead in WI
Reply #18 - Feb 25^th, 2019 at 7:03pm

Gimp wrote on Feb 24^th, 2019 at 10:37pm:

Further North wrote on Feb 24^th, 2019 at 7:06pm:

Gimp wrote on Feb 24^th, 2019 at 5:02am:

Please vote NO on #81.

Cheese and rice:

Quote:

QUESTION 81: Identification for non-motorized watercraft (140418) (requires legislation)
Presently, Wisconsin does not require identification for non-motorized watercraft such as canoes, kayaks and skiffs. There have been instances that a non-motorized watercraft is found floating in a lake/river or along a shoreline with no one in it, making it hard for law enforcement to locate the owner and determine if an accident has occurred. Searches have been conducted based on not being able to contact the owner of the watercraft, requiring time and effort from law enforcement and rescue personal, only to find out that no one
was in the watercraft prior to being found. Currently, owner identification is required for ice shanties and waterfowl blinds on state properties.
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81. Would you favor legislation that would require the owner of a nonmotorized
watercraft to affix identification to the non-motorized
watercraft?
81. YES____ NO_____

That's a creatively worded excuse to charge us for registration. Or in other words, one more tax. Thumbs down, here.

Another tax and where do they draw the line between watercraft and grandma with a cocktail soaking in an innertube?

Yeah, they didn't really do much to define what these watercraft are. SUPs, float tubes, pontoons, etc. aren't really specified - but I'd assume they'd need to be labeled, registered, whatever they're going for here.

The rationale for ice shantys and duck blinds requiring posting name and address is quite a bit different from watercraft registration.

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Re: Ban on Lead in WI
Reply #19 - Apr 8^th, 2019 at 1:50pm

I seemed to have missed #50. Yes. More stream buffer please. Keep the cows out of the river.

Increase setback from fields to streams to 30 feet(530218)(requires legislation)Currently, over 700 streams and rivers in Wisconsin are listed as impaired. A majority of this impairment is due to suspended solids (turbidity from soil loss) and nonpoint nutrient pollution (phosphorus impairments). Current setbacks can be as little as 5 feet and not all farmers use nutrient management plans. Expecting all farmers to have nutrient management plans requires cost sharing. When funding is limited, plans often don’t happen.

50.Do you favor the Conservation Congress working with the Natural Resources Board and the state Legislature to increase the distance from agricultural fields to streams and rivers to 30 feet, and encourage vegetation?

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