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Re: 2018 Conservation Congress spring hearings
Reply #15 - Feb 23rd, 2018 at 8:44am
 
tannin wrote on Feb 22nd, 2018 at 8:50pm:
I wish more energy would be spent on the north. 


It is spent on the north...but more-so on the lakes.


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Also, why don't we have some regulations on inland northern streams that might help grow big brookies?  Slot limits might work.


Cause locals don't like those regulations and fisheries biologists in the northern region cave to their desires.


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Re: 2018 Conservation Congress spring hearings
Reply #16 - Feb 23rd, 2018 at 9:32am
 
Chironomid wrote on Feb 22nd, 2018 at 1:40pm:
This is a continuation of the southern WI. fisheries folks' determination to jam their (wrong-headed) ideas down the throats of those of us in the northern/central part of the state.  It began with the revised early trout season in 1997, and it hasn't abated since.  I was a member of the last "Trout Study Advisory Committee" that ended up shoving the 15-day extension of the inland season down our gullets.  These southern folks don't give two hoots in Hades about our northern trout waters.  Everything is about THEM!    Smiley

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This was put on the vote by a group of bait fisherman in the driftless because they feel it is necessary to harvest trout all year long.

There is no scientific fact to this question. All the studies that the group sighted were from the early seventies when trout management was to dump fish in the streams from the hatchery.

The public that are on the new Trout Management plan group have stressed to the DNR several items. that include decisions based on sound scientific facts, Protect, restore and enhance sustainable cold-water aquatic habitats and trout populations.

That being said there is a lot of talk among the members that the DNR should manage the resources by regions in the state where it is needed

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Re: 2018 Conservation Congress spring hearings
Reply #17 - Feb 23rd, 2018 at 11:23am
 
Grizzly Thug wrote on Feb 23rd, 2018 at 9:32am:
That being said there is a lot of talk among the members that the DNR should manage the resources by regions in the state where it is needed


Generally speaking, isn't this where things stood some time ago, before the politicians pulled the teeth out of the DNR? When the dedicated fisheries people spent years tweaking and tuning individual streams/areas to optimize natural reproduction? And where one had to sit down and spend a bit of time reading the carefully thought out trout regs?
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Re: 2018 Conservation Congress spring hearings
Reply #18 - Feb 23rd, 2018 at 11:43am
 
The Trout Regs are written to a 6th grade level.  that seems hard for people to understand, so I think the new regs should be written in a Dick and Jane format.

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Reply #19 - Feb 23rd, 2018 at 11:52am
 
Zed wrote on Feb 23rd, 2018 at 11:23am:
Grizzly Thug wrote on Feb 23rd, 2018 at 9:32am:
That being said there is a lot of talk among the members that the DNR should manage the resources by regions in the state where it is needed


Generally speaking, isn't this where things stood some time ago, before the politicians pulled the teeth out of the DNR? When the dedicated fisheries people spent years tweaking and tuning individual streams/areas to optimize natural reproduction? And where one had to sit down and spend a bit of time reading the carefully thought out trout regs?


Not sure I'd equate looking at a color-coded map and then reading a simple entry listed under the county as spending quite a bit of time reading...

I totally agree on the idea of managing by regions - and to a large degree they already do this. Many (most?) streams in the North (and East) aren't open to the early season.

http://dnr.wi.gov/topic/fishing/documents/regulations/TroutEarlySeason.pdf

Part of the historic issue is that in the old early trout season - catch and kill beginning Jan. 1 in 9 SWWI counties - had a lot of blowback by people complaining about people coming from other places and "catching all our fish". Of course this was nearly 30 years ago now and trout fishing and management is much different now. That management by region became very unpopular by a vocal group and I think had kept the DNR from implementing a similar regional approach - even if it does make a lot of sense.
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Re: 2018 Conservation Congress spring hearings
Reply #20 - Feb 23rd, 2018 at 12:02pm
 
JGF wrote on Feb 23rd, 2018 at 11:52am:
Not sure I'd equate looking at a color-coded map and then reading a simple entry listed under the county as spending quite a bit of time reading...


My comment sarcasm about having to spend a bit of time reading some regs was w.r.t. the Iron County Lamp Dude, & his complaining about how "complicated" the old regs were.
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Reply #21 - Feb 23rd, 2018 at 12:08pm
 
Grizzly Thug wrote on Feb 23rd, 2018 at 11:43am:
The Trout Regs are written to a 6th grade level.  that seems hard for people to understand, so I think the new regs should be written in a Dick and Jane format.

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Mind-numbing, ain't it? I always wonder how the hell anyone ever fishes for warmwater species if the trout regs are too complex understand. Hell, just for panfish alone there are how many different regulations types? At least the trout regs give you a nice color-coded map.

I have no problem with the regs but no way are the trout regs more complex than the warmwater regs. I think "too complex" is code for, I want to be able to harvest more fish where I want to harvest them. From some of the analyses I've looked at, many anglers are upset about not being able to keep, keep as many, or keep as big/small as they'd like on the body of water that the spend all or nearly all their time fishing. In other words, they don't really care about the regs across the state, they care about the regulation on the one or 2 streams that they fish.
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Re: 2018 Conservation Congress spring hearings
Reply #22 - Feb 23rd, 2018 at 12:31pm
 
Jizzy Pearl wrote on Feb 23rd, 2018 at 8:44am:
tannin wrote on Feb 22nd, 2018 at 8:50pm:
I wish more energy would be spent on the north. 


It is spent on the north...but more-so on the lakes.


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Also, why don't we have some regulations on inland northern streams that might help grow big brookies?  Slot limits might work.


Cause locals don't like those regulations and fisheries biologists in the northern region cave to their desires.




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Reply #23 - Feb 23rd, 2018 at 1:06pm
 
NativeBrookie wrote on Feb 22nd, 2018 at 2:37pm:
After two years of trying to fish the last week of October in Langlade, Oconto and Marinette Counties and finding nothing but brook trout occupying their redds in both streams and spring ponds, I’ve pretty much decided to observe Sep. 30th as the end of my season, at least up there. Guess I’ll just have to head to the Driftless in search of fish that are not yet doing their yearly ritual.  Probably won’t even do that though.  I just think that giving these fish their space come fall is paramount to the future of our natives.

I hope you meant to say the first week of October, cuz the inland trout fishing season only goes through Oct. 15th.

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Reply #24 - Feb 23rd, 2018 at 2:06pm
 
Chironomid wrote on Feb 23rd, 2018 at 1:06pm:
NativeBrookie wrote on Feb 22nd, 2018 at 2:37pm:
After two years of trying to fish the last week of October in Langlade, Oconto and Marinette Counties and finding nothing but brook trout occupying their redds in both streams and spring ponds, I’ve pretty much decided to observe Sep. 30th as the end of my season, at least up there. Guess I’ll just have to head to the Driftless in search of fish that are not yet doing their yearly ritual.  Probably won’t even do that though.  I just think that giving these fish their space come fall is paramount to the future of our natives.

I hope you meant to say the first week of October, cuz the inland trout fishing season only goes through Oct. 15th.

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A couple of larger rivers are open until the middle of November, IIRC.
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Re: 2018 Conservation Congress spring hearings
Reply #25 - Feb 23rd, 2018 at 4:13pm
 
Chironomid wrote on Feb 23rd, 2018 at 1:06pm:
NativeBrookie wrote on Feb 22nd, 2018 at 2:37pm:
After two years of trying to fish the last week of October in Langlade, Oconto and Marinette Counties and finding nothing but brook trout occupying their redds in both streams and spring ponds, I’ve pretty much decided to observe Sep. 30th as the end of my season, at least up there. Guess I’ll just have to head to the Driftless in search of fish that are not yet doing their yearly ritual.  Probably won’t even do that though.  I just think that giving these fish their space come fall is paramount to the future of our natives.

I hope you meant to say the first week of October, cuz the inland trout fishing season only goes through Oct. 15th.

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I meant to say the last week of the season/ Oct. 8-15.
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Reply #26 - Feb 23rd, 2018 at 5:15pm
 
There was south shore brookie trib that was catch and release for a while. There are also a few that are so inaccessible that harvest must be close to nill. You would also think that if competition was the driving brook trout outmigration (i.e. the "critical mass" hypothesis), we'd see more outmigrants on the brule, where there must be strong competition w/ coho and brown trout (both of which have been shown to compete with brook trout). The whole coaster thing seems to be a bit of a black box.
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Reply #27 - Feb 23rd, 2018 at 6:50pm
 
Jane sees Dick.

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I have got to meet this Jane girl!!
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Reply #28 - Feb 23rd, 2018 at 8:37pm
 
16Adams wrote on Feb 23rd, 2018 at 5:15pm:
There was south shore brookie trib that was catch and release for a while. There are also a few that are so inaccessible that harvest must be close to nill. You would also think that if competition was the driving brook trout outmigration (i.e. the "critical mass" hypothesis), we'd see more outmigrants on the brule, where there must be strong competition w/ coho and brown trout (both of which have been shown to compete with brook trout). The whole coaster thing seems to be a bit of a black box.


It's definitely far from clear.  It just seems to me that the way to test the theory is to try catch and release.  I haven't been on the upper brule in a few years, but the quieter waters were never crowded with brookies.  I've had some good brookie fishing there, but not like I've had on some other streams. And, of the ones that are there, a pretty small percentage are a foot long.

Also, I believe there has been some out migration.  I think occasional coasters have been seen on the weir camera. 

Some of the smaller rivers in Wisconsin have pretty damaged habitat. 

Special regs on one or two streams, and a bit of habitat work just isn't much to show for 30 years, esp. when compared with Ontario and the other states.

Also, it just seems like the easiest way to test the restricted regulation/crowding theory would be to implement catch and release, or something close to it.
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Reply #29 - Feb 24th, 2018 at 9:29am
 
Grizzly Thug wrote on Feb 23rd, 2018 at 11:43am:
The Trout Regs are written to a 6th grade level.  that seems hard for people to understand, so I think the new regs should be written in a Dick and Jane format.

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