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Jizzy Pearl Dragon Fly Offline I need some fuel to run. Posts: 1590 Gender:	Re: 2018 Conservation Congress spring hearings Reply #105 - Mar 21^st, 2018 at 8:32am tannin wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 7:06pm: If there is a risk, why take it, especially if so few people even want it?? This is assumes there is a risk of hurting trout populations.
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Chironomid Dragon Fly Offline On Wisconsin! Posts: 1146	Re: 2018 Conservation Congress spring hearings Reply #106 - Mar 21^st, 2018 at 1:00pm Jizzy Pearl wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 8:32am: tannin wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 7:06pm: If there is a risk, why take it, especially if so few people even want it?? This is assumes there is a risk of hurting trout populations. Assumed.
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Re: 2018 Conservation Congress spring hearings
Reply #107 - Mar 21^st, 2018 at 5:59pm

Jizzy Pearl wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 8:26am:

NativeBrookie wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 4:08pm:

Harassing and stressing spawning fish is not a perceived threat. It’s an actual observed activity I’ve had the displeasure of viewing first hand since the 2 week extension.

Did you say anything to the people about proper etiquette? Although I suspect it's not a statewide issue. Just an isolated incident you observed.

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Maybe you’re ok with the idea of taking trout off their redds, but I am not.

Of course not silly.

I wonder if deer hunters have these same discussions when others are shooting deer during the rut?

I wonder if bass and panfish people have the same discussions? I've ripped numerous crappie, bluegill and bass off their spawning beds in the spring. The crappie and bluegill go right into the fish cooler.

Did I explain proper etiquette to them? Of course I did. They shrugged it off and basically ignored me.

I have an idea. Why don’t we open every season year round for every living wildlife species. That way, nobody has to wait for anything and can do whatever the hell they want.

I don’t give a rip whether panfish anglers or deer hunters have this argument or not. We had the trout regulations right and then caved to impatient whiners.

We’ve long held trout in high regard and afforded them great protection, but we’re trending away from that.

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Re: 2018 Conservation Congress spring hearings
Reply #108 - Mar 21^st, 2018 at 7:26pm

Jizzy Pearl wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 8:26am:

NativeBrookie wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 4:08pm:

Harassing and stressing spawning fish is not a perceived threat. It’s an actual observed activity I’ve had the displeasure of viewing first hand since the 2 week extension.

Did you say anything to the people about proper etiquette? Although I suspect it's not a statewide issue. Just an isolated incident you observed.

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Maybe you’re ok with the idea of taking trout off their redds, but I am not.

Of course not silly.

I wonder if deer hunters have these same discussions when others are shooting deer during the rut?

I wonder if bass and panfish people have the same discussions? I've ripped numerous crappie, bluegill and bass off their spawning beds in the spring. The crappie and bluegill go right into the fish cooler.

There are studies that show that the biggest bluegills are most at risk of overharvest during the spawn, and that, if they are overharvested strains of bluegills that don't get as big will take over. There are lots of lakes in N.Wisconsin with small gills. Some of them used to have big ones.

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tannin Dragon Fly Offline On Wisconsin! Posts: 1199	Re: 2018 Conservation Congress spring hearings Reply #109 - Mar 21^st, 2018 at 7:28pm Jizzy Pearl wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 8:32am: tannin wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 7:06pm: If there is a risk, why take it, especially if so few people even want it?? This is assumes there is a risk of hurting trout populations. Never mind. If you like doing it, then it must be okay.
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Reply #110 - Mar 21^st, 2018 at 9:09pm

Jizzy Pearl wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 8:32am:

tannin wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 7:06pm:

If there is a risk, why take it, especially if so few people even want it??

This is assumes there is a risk of hurting trout populations.

Here's an idea, J.P. Send to me via P.M. a list of your favorite trout streams (presumably in the Driftless Area of WI.). I will go fishing on them after 9/30 and purposely disturb/disrupt every spawning redd I encounter in order to see if your theory that wading through trout spawning redds does no harm to the trout populations in said streams. I would expect that you would give me a list of those streams, since you seem quite confident that angler wading through those spawning redds doesn't harm future trout populations. Is it a deal? Smiley

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Larry_Kroger Stone Fly Offline Excuse me sir, is this the Delta House? Posts: 247 West Central WI Gender:	Re: 2018 Conservation Congress spring hearings Reply #111 - Mar 22^nd, 2018 at 7:48am I’ll provide lodging, a grill, smoker, and good 🥃 if we’re ripping open brown trout bellies.
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Re: 2018 Conservation Congress spring hearings
Reply #112 - Mar 22^nd, 2018 at 8:05am

NativeBrookie wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 5:59pm:

We’ve long held trout in high regard and afforded them great protection, but we’re trending away from that.

Nah. I think you and some others are making a mountain out of a mole hill here about this.

No pun intended, but in the world of trout we have bigger fish to fry that are more of threat than what the regulations are or aren't.

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Reply #113 - Mar 22^nd, 2018 at 8:06am

tannin wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 7:28pm:

Jizzy Pearl wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 8:32am:

tannin wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 7:06pm:

If there is a risk, why take it, especially if so few people even want it??

This is assumes there is a risk of hurting trout populations.

Never mind. If you like doing it, then it must be okay.

I don't do it.

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Reply #114 - Mar 22^nd, 2018 at 8:07am

Chironomid wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 9:09pm:

Jizzy Pearl wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 8:32am:

tannin wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 7:06pm:

If there is a risk, why take it, especially if so few people even want it??

This is assumes there is a risk of hurting trout populations.

Here's an idea, J.P. Send to me via P.M. a list of your favorite trout streams (presumably in the Driftless Area of WI.). I will go fishing on them after 9/30 and purposely disturb/disrupt every spawning redd I encounter in order to see if your theory that wading through trout spawning redds does no harm to the trout populations in said streams. I would expect that you would give me a list of those streams, since you seem quite confident that angler wading through those spawning redds doesn't harm future trout populations. Is it a deal? Smiley

Chiro

I don't need to send you a list. They are all available on the DNR website via color maps and interactive maps. Pick one!! Pick many and have at it!!!

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Reply #115 - Mar 22^nd, 2018 at 1:11pm

Jizzy Pearl wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2018 at 8:06am:

tannin wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 7:28pm:

Jizzy Pearl wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 8:32am:

tannin wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 7:06pm:

If there is a risk, why take it, especially if so few people even want it??

This is assumes there is a risk of hurting trout populations.

Never mind. If you like doing it, then it must be okay.

I don't do it.

You don't fish the early season?

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Jizzy Pearl Dragon Fly Offline I need some fuel to run. Posts: 1590 Gender:	Re: 2018 Conservation Congress spring hearings Reply #116 - Mar 22^nd, 2018 at 1:24pm tannin wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2018 at 1:11pm: You don't fish the early season? I fish early season and now the extended season. I don't target fish on redds if that's what you (or anyone else) were implying.
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NativeBrookie

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Re: 2018 Conservation Congress spring hearings
Reply #117 - Mar 22^nd, 2018 at 3:28pm

Jizzy Pearl wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2018 at 1:24pm:

tannin wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2018 at 1:11pm:

You don't fish the early season?

I fish early season and now the extended season.

I don't target fish on redds if that's what you (or anyone else) were implying.

I'm glad you don't.

However, one example does not a consensus make.

Many people see no harm in harassing the spawners. Therein lies the problem with declaring open season on northern Brookies during the time of their greatest vulnerability.

Forest, Langlade, and Menominee were among the counties that objected to the season changes during the 2015 CC Hearings. Why were they ignored? Many of the waters I talked about observing spawning activity on during the 2 week extension were in Langlade and Forest County. Langlade County is a brookie sanctuary if there ever was one and they voted overwhelmingly in opposition to the changes. Didn't matter apparently.

Of course we know why Menominee County was ignored. Look no further than the Back Forty project for further evidence. One permit away from potential destruction. Of course they've always been leaps and bounds ahead of us in terms of respecting resources so the slap in the face dismissals they receive are not surprising in the least.

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Re: 2018 Conservation Congress spring hearings
Reply #118 - Mar 22^nd, 2018 at 4:28pm

NativeBrookie wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2018 at 3:28pm:

Forest, Langlade, and Menominee were among the counties that objected to the season changes during the 2015 CC Hearings. Why were they ignored?

Because it was a statewide vote where everyone that attends the meeting has a say. Not just a vote where 3 counties get to decide.

There were 2260 yes votes. 1222 no votes. 66 counties approved. 5 counties rejected. 1 tie.

That is why.

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Re: 2018 Conservation Congress spring hearings
Reply #119 - Mar 22^nd, 2018 at 5:15pm

Jizzy Pearl wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2018 at 4:28pm:

NativeBrookie wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2018 at 3:28pm:

Forest, Langlade, and Menominee were among the counties that objected to the season changes during the 2015 CC Hearings. Why were they ignored?

Because it was a statewide vote where everyone that attends the meeting has a say. Not just a vote where 3 counties get to decide.

There were 2260 yes votes. 1222 no votes. 66 counties approved. 5 counties rejected. 1 tie.

That is why.

It was also non-binding which means nothing had to be done and the counties that had reservations about it should have been factored into where the season was extended.

Which gets back to the original point of other areas deciding what’s best for the entire state.

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