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Reply #30 - Aug 12th, 2021 at 10:49am
 
Jizzy Pearl wrote on Aug 12th, 2021 at 10:30am:
GerardH wrote on Aug 12th, 2021 at 10:19am:
Well, if they're going to encourage growth, for starters get rid of green lawns and non-native vegetation that suck up water.  If you're going to live in the west where it's arid, get used to the fact it's arid instead of trying to make it into something it's not.  That's true with all that growth along with the front range.


I don't disagree.  But you and I both know that will never happen.


I disagree.  Eventually it has to happen...especially since they keep proposing to pipe, ditch, truck water from the Great Lakes states.  Otherwise, like I said earlier, they're toast.  If they want to turn a tap on and expect water to come out, they will have to completely change their laws regarding water from private to public as starters...water's not a commodity.
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Re: Western Drought
Reply #31 - Aug 16th, 2021 at 9:29pm
 
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Re: Western Drought
Reply #32 - Aug 18th, 2021 at 2:42pm
 
GerardH wrote on Aug 12th, 2021 at 10:19am:
Jizzy Pearl wrote on Aug 12th, 2021 at 9:44am:
tannin wrote on Aug 11th, 2021 at 3:09pm:
GerardH wrote on Aug 6th, 2021 at 9:07am:
Jizzy Pearl wrote on Aug 6th, 2021 at 8:22am:
It's a more complex issue than just grazing and raising fees or imposing more taxes on cattle.  A lot of irrigation also is used toward croplands.


I will agree it's a complex issue.  On top of growing water-thirsty crops in an arid climate, there are too many people and too much development with the expectation of green lawns, 72-hole championship golf courses, etc.  The west is messed up from top to bottom where water is concerned.

They'd better figure out a cost-effective method of desalination of ocean water in the near future or they're toast.


In the southern Rockies, Denver is a problem.  I visited there a few years ago for the first time in decades.  The sprawl is overwhelming.  They are taking so much water from the Platte River that it is changing the whole ecosystem downstream in Nebraska, where the greatest sandhill crane migration in America (one of the great migrations of the world) occurs.  They are also pulling huge amounts of water from the Ogallala aquifer.  And, if all of that weren't enough, there is a tunnel under Rocky Mountain National Park, bringing them water from the Colorado River Basin.  An economy that requires continual growth to do well is not sustainable.  And, as Paul Simon sang "Too many people on the crust of the earth; the planet groans every time it registers another birth."


Whatchya gonna do though?

I spent a week in Denver area last September.  I liked it out there.   Would move near there in a heartbeat if the right opportunity presented itself.


Well, if they're going to encourage growth, for starters get rid of green lawns and non-native vegetation that suck up water.  If you're going to live in the west where it's arid, get used to the fact it's arid instead of trying to make it into something it's not.  That's true with all that growth along with the front range.


And preserve land as parks and green spaces, zone for large minimum lot sizes, make living in the inner parts of cities better by making things pedestrian friendly, creating affordable housing, and providing good mass transit.
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Reply #33 - Aug 19th, 2021 at 8:52am
 
Jizzy Pearl wrote on Aug 12th, 2021 at 9:44am:
I spent a week in Denver area last September.  I liked it out there.   Would move near there in a heartbeat if the right opportunity presented itself.


To each their own.  I moved out there in 1977 to take a job, but lasted six weeks before moving back.  I remember driving up into the mountains to try to fish the Blue River and having trouble finding a pull off that wasn't full of cars -- fishermen, hikers, kayakers, etc.  And that was 45 years ago.  Two of my sisters and one of my sons live in the Denver area, and every time I visit I last a few days before the sprawl and the traffic gets to me.  (And Denver has one of the worst air qualities in the US, just behind Detroit).  The front range is a great place to live if you like strip malls, but if you want solitude in the outdoors, you'll find that hard to come by.
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Reply #34 - Aug 19th, 2021 at 11:02am
 
darklake wrote on Aug 19th, 2021 at 8:52am:
Jizzy Pearl wrote on Aug 12th, 2021 at 9:44am:
I spent a week in Denver area last September.  I liked it out there.   Would move near there in a heartbeat if the right opportunity presented itself.


To each their own.  I moved out there in 1977 to take a job, but lasted six weeks before moving back.  I remember driving up into the mountains to try to fish the Blue River and having trouble finding a pull off that wasn't full of cars -- fishermen, hikers, kayakers, etc.  And that was 45 years ago.  Two of my sisters and one of my sons live in the Denver area, and every time I visit I last a few days before the sprawl and the traffic gets to me.  (And Denver has one of the worst air qualities in the US, just behind Detroit).  The front range is a great place to live if you like strip malls, but if you want solitude in the outdoors, you'll find that hard to come by.


That was the impression I got when I was there a couple years ago.
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Reply #35 - Aug 19th, 2021 at 11:12am
 
darklake wrote on Aug 19th, 2021 at 8:52am:
The front range is a great place to live if you like strip malls, but if you want solitude in the outdoors, you'll find that hard to come by.


All depends on how far you want to venture away from the Big City.  I wouldn't live in the city myself.  Would find a nearby small town.

Spent a week in Evergreen, CO last year and have been out there fishing for a week every summer since 2017 about 2-1/2 hours from Denver.  Finding Solitude has never been an issue. 

The place you are describing is a hot spot on the map.  Not surprising you ran into all sorts of people.  The place I have been fishing has been void of people every year.  My buddy and I usually have various sections of the river we fish to ourselves every day for the week we are there.
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Reply #36 - Aug 19th, 2021 at 12:49pm
 
Jizzy Pearl wrote on Aug 19th, 2021 at 11:12am:
have been out there fishing for a week every summer since 2017 about 2-1/2 hours from Denver.  Finding Solitude has never been an issue. 


I don't disagree that there are some great parts of Colorado, or that's it's possible to get away from the crowds.  A few years back I had a pleasant couple days on the upper Colorado in October, and last fall the upper Poudre was nice in November.   But for me, driving 2 1/2 hours to get away from the hordes makes the level of solitude that I enjoy a little "hard to come by."  I prefer living in a place where solitude in outdoor endeavors is close at hand.
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Reply #37 - Aug 19th, 2021 at 1:36pm
 
I get that.   All of my trips out there have been of the 1 week vacation variety.
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